Cleveland.com posts today more poor planning from our high and mighty Port Authority and their well paid consultants from a-far... the one run by that guy from England... hired a consultant from NYNY to tell us to build NYNY on our lake and riverfront.

Doesn't mention bringing NYNY's economy to pay for it, but what's with details... even the big picture for this sounds absurd.

Cleveland's downtown revival starts at the water, port adviser says

by tbreckenridge [at] plaind [dot] com

Tuesday July 07, 2009, 12:30 PM

CLEVELAND -- The rebirth of Cleveland's waterfront should start north of Cleveland Browns Stadium and at North Coast Harbor nearby, with a dense mix of green space, boating activity and performance venues, a consultant to the Cleveland port says.

If we hired and developed good, independent-thinking local planners, perhaps we could build Cleveland in Cleveland... or even be neo in NEO

Instead, get ready to swallow hard and waste the next few decades debating smoke and mirrors... our highest priced foundation-hired, taxpayer-paid carpetbaggers have really been at the drawing boards spending our next $ billions in eroding tax revenues.

And where is the analysis about future need for container traffic in Cleveland justifying moving the port, much less proof we need any really significant port in the future here at all.

Shut down Mittal for real, forever, and scale the port DOWN to the minimum possible footprint here, forever, and stick it back in some corner of the Flats. Grow food on the land no longer needed for filthy industry.

Disrupt IT

Norm,

What can I say, that's a brilliant idea...turning the HoJo into a hostel with ajacent urban farm!!!  What an efficient, low-cost way to stimulate the economy.  Perhaps Cleveland has something there like Atlanta has here--The Atlanta Development Authority--which has as affordable, mixed-use, urban revitalization at the core of its mission. 

I would encourage you, the owner of the site and all the rest at RealNeo to seriously investigate the possiblities, and if a program(s) like Atlanta's ADA doesn't yet exist, find out who you might talk to to make it come to life.  You'll need a team of people to put together a compelling case for you hostel and farm idea, but it might be more feasible that you think.

The time-line is disheartening , when do they begin to build it?

It’s done in 2026 that’s seventeen years! Hey I will be eligible for retirement that year….I wish! I think retirement for me is death.

http://www.portofcleveland.com/pdf/2009%2003%2020%20Planning%20Commission%20Final.pdf

This is construction, sort of like the pyramids that kept people working but really did not serve a purpose…shhh… we liked the pyramids.

One leader comes and makes a plan and then another leader with another plan….

As the field levels off that being as the global economies become more similar then it is very possible to see more activity at the ports. There is also other ports that are not that far away, competitive in the future is all about efficiency. Getting or transporting by ships is not that expensive, but unfortunately are goods are.

The port has to be multifaceted and able to handle all traffic, unfortunately the size of the ships are limited in the great lakes. They know that, try to have some faith in people.

What other cities have the balls to rebuild their ports? In order to reclaim land, it is what they are doing.

In twenty years, something for the next generation, will the river be much cleaner? The banks at the mouth will be dramatically greener. I wonder how many boaters left? The Flats are gone, no reason to go there no rows of rafted boaters. The once booming Commodore club is closed.

Move the port, they all say and in that process they said lets make it viable for the potential for changing markets. Let make it state of the art and multifunctional. If you want an analysis of the future, do it yourself, it would be as valid as any. They chose an option based on that site having the ability to handle it all.

It also leverages space for other development, it keeps it rolling. The mouth of the river and the lake front.

If you want to manage Urban agriculture then get a piece of that land bank. I'll make it simple if it is not based on cooperatives and collectively managed it will fail. Can I come to the market and watch twenty different people attempt to sell all the same thing? I will tell you I told you so. Your up against 100 year of progressive agricultural technology and to the point they pay people not to grow. The few people doing it now is fine they can cut into markets but eventually they will cut into each others. The smart farmer does not sell his best seeds. Your collectively promoting your competition, that very American J of you.

I really got my wheels turning from the website that detailed the consumption, it made me think about the managing and retailing.

A urban farm market, that buys what it can sell and then works with the cooperative growing what to sell.

Oh that gets me real close to wanting to approach Rokakis, but then it get very much like work and requires compensation, then is that like becoming one of them?

If they build a land bank then sections or parts of it, that being the land in pieces can be collectively managed and the produce collectively marketed.

It's allot of work, getting the information about consumption, it has to be accurate…my first job was as a produce clerk in grocery store. You have to know what you can sell, you order it and then if you mess up it rots. Managing multiple parcels to feed a viable market is if anything extremely challenging.

I talked to my mother about it, she said they want to go back and do it all over again. She was raised on a farm…then there is my father he sold produce for 40 years. Every morning the people from the west-side market go were? Were do they get there produce from?

http://www.clover.okstate.edu/fourh/aitc/lessons/upper/transport.pdf